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plane_billsCouncilor's Name: Councilor Oldkirk
Bill to Propose: Remove all animal products from the compound
Additional Notes: Animals are not ours to eat or wear, yet our cafeteria and councilor penthouse serve meat dishes with alarming regularity. Not only that, but there are coats made of fur and animal skin in the marketplace! Therefore, I propose we ban all products used on the compound that are derived from animals. We must never kill or exploit animals for any reason whatsoever -- to do so is a sin against nature.
Bill to Propose: Remove all animal products from the compound
Additional Notes: Animals are not ours to eat or wear, yet our cafeteria and councilor penthouse serve meat dishes with alarming regularity. Not only that, but there are coats made of fur and animal skin in the marketplace! Therefore, I propose we ban all products used on the compound that are derived from animals. We must never kill or exploit animals for any reason whatsoever -- to do so is a sin against nature.
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DISCUSSION
Date: 2010-10-18 07:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-18 08:00 pm (UTC)Additionally, the human body was created to absorb certain nutrients from the flesh of animals, and not all of these can be replaced. And it is not as if we allow what is not eaten to go to waste.
Perhaps cutting back on some of the more frivolous things would be good, but a ban is unreasonable.
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Date: 2010-10-18 10:24 pm (UTC)Re: DISCUSSION
Date: 2010-10-18 10:35 pm (UTC)First: That there are several species amongst the Agents here that are purely carnivorous in nature, literally incapable of properly processing plant-based material. To deny them meat would literally be sentencing them to death or forcing them to quit their employ here. I, myself, require some amount of human blood to be at my best, which would strictly ban me from having a complete diet on campus.
Second: Removing meat from the diet of omnivorous species, such as the humans that represent the majority, requires significant dietary monitoring and use of supplements - many of which use animal components as filler, ironically! Given that we cannot and do not enforce dietary policies, due to the aforementioned species issue, to remove meat would be to cause a massive decrease of overall health of Agents, making our purpose much tougher.
Third: If we work off the idea that using animals is a sin, then technically, relying on other human beings - who are, themselves, animals, lest we forget - is sin as much. Indeed, to live is to 'sin', essentially inherently. To be selective in our sinning like that is rather silly, is it not?
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Date: 2010-10-18 10:57 pm (UTC)A good bill for the lower ranks to chime in on *nod nod*
Date: 2010-10-19 12:49 am (UTC)Re: A good bill for the lower ranks to chime in on *nod nod*
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Date: 2010-10-19 01:40 am (UTC)"Given all the arguments thus far and the knowledge that we have better technologies at our fingertips than I can imagine, why don't you go ahead and propose a long, detailed report on how exactly to accommodate for all the lost nutrition and physical decline in health of our Agents and Enforcers--and I mean ALL the species, and then get back to us?
"As for the fur and skins, I personally think wearing and using the things is a filthy practice but there's no sense in banning one but allowing the other."
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Date: 2010-10-19 04:30 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-10-19 01:59 pm (UTC)So I vote no on this stupid bill. You cannot force your view on everyone else.
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Date: 2010-10-19 05:48 pm (UTC)What you're proposing at this very moment would expend much of our resources. Setting out Agents to find and dispose of all animal products, some private property... is not something we can afford at this moment. Throwing away the meat ingredients we purchased would also be wasteful. Not only that, but we would have to set up a regulatory team in order to seek out more animal products that are brought into the compound. I'm afraid that as far as our resources are concerned, there is no way we can spend them on something like this given what has been happening as of late.
Still, there is nothing stopping you from making an effort to persuade your agents and enforcers yourself. Using animal products is a choice, after all.
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